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Munich Saturday/Friday Beer Gardeners
(& Indoors in cold, wet, & winter
etc)The Corona preamble was 2022-05-14
moved to end of page.
Every Saturday or Friday & odd extra days too.
Indoors when too cold/ wet & in
winter.
INDEX
Please do Not mail the author questions, Read the page
below for answers. Author has no time for repetitive email
questions, when he should be doing paid computer work, at his screen,
sorry ! - Please ask the organisers or
others At the Beer garden, over a beer, when we're happy
to chat, de-focused from screens!
- WE'RE SELECTIVE ! :
You want to socialise with people you'll get on with ? Us too !
Various types don't suit you ? Us too ! So both you And the
group retain rights to decline, review, withdraw
membership
- SUMMARY: English speaking
(relaxed & fluent) multi-
national, lively, intelligent, non smokers,
no drunks, etc.
- The mail line footer defines us, (with occasional variation
on what can be crammed on one line), eg: Fluent English
speaking international bright lively non smokers.
- NOT GEA.
Please do Not recruit more/ most GEA
people !
- There's Lots of other
English clubs people can join.
-
INTERNATIONAL:
- Some of us are English .
- All of us can speak English
.
- Some can speak German.
- Some are German,
- Some are or have been eg: American, Austrian, Canadian,
Chinese, English, French, German,
Iraqi, Irish, Pakistani, Scots, Singapore, Spanish,
Swedish, Syrian, Welsh, etc.
- We are not a linguists group, but random
professionals.
-
Just ENGLISH SPEAKING Not German
Speaking
- Speak English with us. You don't need to be a native
English speaker though; natives of Arabic, Chinese, French,
German, Japanese, Spanish, etc languages all welcome.
- Germans who join us come to speak English, not
German.
- If you want to speak German, we are Not the right group
for you:
- Native English speakers who want to inflict their
German on us are Not Welcome !
- Native German speakers who can speak English, but
don't, should join other groups.
- Talking in German for long, would dilute the group,
(as GEA was long ago
Germanised, then failed).
- To speak German, don't join us, join innumerable
other clubs run in Munich
Germany, where about 80% of toward 2 million people
are native German speakers.
- Disagree ?
- Fluent English Speaking
- Flakey English grammar is not so bad: Better you
get the grammar wrong, than bore us waiting, searching
for the right phrase.
- We do not correct people. That would break up
conversation. We're Not an unpaid language school.
There's plenty of English teachers in Munich you can
employ.
- We do not make speeches. ! We're not Munich toast
masters.
- Do not bring friends who can only speak German,
that's not fair to us (or them) !
-
Can you switch to German if stuck ?
Yes, if really stuck, for a bit, & others
listening happen to want to understand German, (not
all can or want to). German is Not the preferred
language, any more than Russian or Turkish or
Chinese, so revert to English as soon as possible.
- If you are German, & you'r English is "Iffy" do
not make the mistake of bringing more German friends
with marginal English to keep you company, find a
German speaking group.
- People are removed when they can't / don't / won't
speak English. Not just Germans, even native English
speakers are Not
Welcome to practice German on us, & are removed if
doing so.
- Thoughts on
[German] grammar
- Disagree ?
-
NON SMOKERS. Exclusively ! Do NOT bring smoker friends
!
- NON SMOKERS
ONLY
- Do NOT Bring Smokers ! Not even outside ! Some of us eg
are
allergic &/or hate smoke. Most of us do
not want to be near, even outside.
- Do Not Smoke just before arrival, Do not nip out for
smokes & return, breath stinking of smoke. (It's
impossible to avoid the death breath of a smoker sat next
to you, who turns to talk to you on same bench).
Smokers can buy nicotine chewing gum for the evening, or
use nicotine adhesive patches, or consume snuff well away
from us, or have their first smoke well away from us after
leaving for the evening, or Don't Join Us ! Go join smokers
at the other beer garden group.
- (Restaurants that were
smoke free before Bavaria's 1st half hearted ban &
later Bavaria's 2nd more rigorous ban.
- Disagree ?
- INTELLIGENT
-
- We are mostly professionals, mostly intelligent (debate
any implied associativity, or assert any lack of logical
connectivity over a beer ;-)
- We're not ``politically correct', (aka new trendy word
`Woke`) Mental
strait jackets imposed by others not accepted.
We speak real English not crippled by American (or,
increasingly also by British too) politicians' political
correctness, We call a spade a spade, (Which we mean
as An English noun, related to a shovel, not an American
noun as racial slang) We talk about the sex (not
gender) of a thing (if anyone gives a flying monkey's ;-)
& if anyone asks for a Rest Room or Bathroom, they'll
likely be teased that if they needed to rest or bathe, that
was best done at home first ;-) Pubs, bars & Beer
Gardens have toilets, but not baths & beds to rest
;-)
- We do not bring kids & babies making a racket &
interrupting & reducing complex conversation to the
mundane.
- Disagree ?
-
NO DRUNKS,
- We do Not drink to get drunk
- `Head bangers' groups exist elsewhere ;-)
- Seriously abusive behaviour not tolerated, drunk or
sober.
- We do Not encourage (or discourage ;-) alcohol
consumption, most drink beer, author sometimes
drinks Alkohol- frei beer , a few drink wine, a few drink
Rabarba- schoerle (Rhubarb with fizz) etc. Coffee's fine if
you don't want alcohol. We won't push you to drink alcohol,
though obviously you have to buy Something, at least
mineral water, to pay the pub for the table.
- We're not averse to a lively debate/ argument but only
if people remain intelligent & Listen too, & no one
monopolises conversation.
- Motor mouths not needed. Alcohol lubricated non stop
talkers Not wanted.
- There's pretty much nothing we consider off limits to
discuss. If you're easily offended, you nay well have a
problem, though we likely will not ;-)
- Disagree ?
-
LIVELY
- Come with an open lively mind,
- Don't be stuffy, If you want "Sie" rather than "Du"
(Not that we'll be speaking German anyway), or Mr/Dr Smith
rather than John.Joan,Join some other group, not us.
- Move seats a few times during the evening. Make _your_
contribution to enlivening topics & debate ! Sitting at
the same seat all evening can be stultifying both for you
And your neighbours - move around !
- You may not be bored yet.
- Others might not be bored with you yet.
- But others may. Or maybe they want to talk to
someone else too, & you more later.
- Those stuck against a wall can't circulate.
- Maybe someone next to a free seat is bored &
would welcome you moving there ?
- Make your contribution: don't just sit there, Move
On !
- Get up & you should Expect your seat to be
`stolen' by someone else, they are Supposed To! It
makes for variety for all.
- "That's my seat!" Is Not acceptable! Just rescue
your beer and mat & move to
a new seat.
- If you don't like it, Don't come.
- Disagree ?
-
DO NOT PHONE US EACH WEEK FOR VENUE
- Are you too lazy to get your own email ?
- Then you'r not mentally lively &/or adept enough
for the group.
- Join some other group, not us.
- We have no time to answer phones or SMS people
info.
- We do Not update a web page each week. (This
author often did many years back, but it was more work,
+ Our email list relays to whole group in just
minutes, & not to whole public on web sites, some of
who do not fit group).
- We do Not want you phoning us each week, interrupting
us, just just for the venue announcement. Get yourself a
free email address *you don't even need a computer for
that, you can access it via an Internet cafe)
- Join List
- Disagree ?
-
DISAGREE & WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT
ORGANISATION ?
- If you wish to suggest & discuss venues, & help
choose, announce & host venues, Please do, You are very
welcome. Please volunteer yourself to BG
Organisers.
- But, If you wish to vigorously Argue & Assert Your
opinion:
- You have the right to leave us without notice.
- We have the right to remove you without
notice.
-
If You Argue With BG Organisers,
about BG Organisation, & vigorously Assert your non
organiser's opinion eg:
- We should accept everyone without
choice
- We should organise things Your way
- Your opinion on organising carries as much
weight as organisers
You will be removed as a liability,
- Our regularly working organisers
are our chief asset, far more valuable than non
organisers.
- Do Not annoy, waste time of, or risk demotivating
organisers from organising.
- The organisers have invested
much time organising, organisers
time is much more valuable than that of non organisers, & organisers opinions far outweigh the
opinions of non organisers, when it comes to
Organising
- It's not unfair or biased, but is fact, it's
- A reward to the few organisers who Work for our common
benefit,
- An incentive to non organisers to please sometimes volunteer
to help organise next venue.
- You are welcome to Buy the right to assert opinions
on organising, by first working free as an organiser.
- (Some saw an old club (GEA) wither from it's
open door policy, tolerating misfits, a few malign, &
sundry over opinionated non organisers. An object lesson to
avoid repeating. )
-
FAQ - Frequently Asked Question: "Do you
really want new people to come ?"
Answer:
- YES, we want people who will fit the group.
- No, we don't want people who will not fit the
group.
- You decide if the group may be for you.
- If so join the list, come to
events, if it's not for you, leave list
- Don't have a buyer's expectation of a gushing advert,
hyping us to you: We are Not selling to you !
- Unlike some other sites, we do not advertise at you, or
harvest or sell your mail address etc, & we charge no
membership or event entrance etc.
- We just state who we are, (partly defined by who we are
Not), & you decide to join us or not.
- We offer Free organisation of events, but just for
those who fit the group; Many friends attend
regularly.
- We are dependent on the time organisers donate us free, so we protect our
group & especially organisers.
- One occasional rogue can demotivate organisers, & spoil the fun many innocents
generate.
- Another club died from an open door policy tolerating
misfits, so: we are cautious: Not just the individual but
also the group retains a right to decide if the other is a
fit or a misfit.
- If you stay in the group, & preferably invest time
helping us organise, your experience will later carry
weight to discuss with organisers.
- The author has been a major clubs organiser for decades, contributed masses of
free time to club & event organising, as have numerous
other organisers too.
- Non & prospective members should Not email us to
discuss policy. Just join list or not, Join the group a few
times, & if not for you, leave list.
- Members who've attended events for a while are welcome
to discuss with organisers preferably at
an event, not by email.
- Mail List Founded: maybe around 1995 give or take 5 years
or so ?, some years after 1985, long before 2001 (When I
remember sending bg@ list a
live alert on planes in 11 Sep
2001 NY twin trade towers, pentagon, etc).
- If drinking inside Mark Your Beer
Mats Avoid mistakes, remind your neighbours too,
especially if waiter does not do it for you. In every big
group, some drinkers sometimes forget to pay enough,
occasionally some rogues may deliberately not pay enough,
occasionally some waiters cheat too, (one waiter tried to bill
us for a spare cheeseburger !) Most drinkers & waiters are
honest. Cheats exist too. Mistakes happen too, Alcohol doesn't
aid memory & counting. Mark the mat.
- Join the mail
list where we announce this week's venue.
- In dodgey weather or crowded venues, be on time
&/or note the organisers mobile number
from the announcement. We go when we want.
- Most other beer garden indexes are little to no use for us.
as most other indexes:
- Full of hype & gloss, & prioritise history,
culture & other irrelevance, (may be nice to know, but
we choose by our own beer garden criteria).
- Others don't warn if short
measures
- Others in German language, well not all our people
speak German, or want to read yet more German. (One index
is even in faked mis-spelled Bavarian, indecipherable if
you'r new/ only read Hoch Deutsch ie proper German, not mis
spelt dialect).
- Fraudulent short measures are Very common in rip off
Munich, where even government is on the O'fest rip off,
charging way over 100 mass (DE
of tax per 100 litres of beer sold, instead of ensuring
proper measures served. The locals are so used to be ripped
off, most indexes don't mention it.
- Most indexes don't list if a Beer Garden delivers bad
service while priding itself on being Bavarian, some have
obnoxious staff one
example
- Do they serve Wrong beer or bad beer ?
Breweries merged to lessen choice for customers. (Same
complaint we had in UK, when CAMRA started), Jim (an
organiser) dislikes Franziskaner beer, (& I've chucked away
much of 2 mass dunkles beers at Stigl- maier), so some F.
places marked to aid selection
- It's been suggested we should remove some beer gardens from
the index, indeed this author too has been tempted to, but on
consideration we think that's not best
solution, as certain problems can be worked round sometimes,
& not listing problems just leaves us mystified &
memories fading, till perhaps we get bitten again by same
problem, plus inevitably everywhere will fail at some time,
nowhere can be consistently perfect, so better to just list
know good And bad points & people can decide where to go on
a per visit basis.
Hence this Index is Not verbose enthusiastic gush to promote
tourism, written by PR weenies, paid for breweries & drinking
trade. It's the opposite: It's notes on what's right & more
importantly Wrong with places.
- Listen ... we speak English.
- (OK, That won't help you much in an Irish pub, so
...)
- Ask the waiter for reservation name BERKLIX.
- If you don't know what organisers look
like, check organisers web sites, & or
use a mobile phone.
- At most beer gardens, we sit over the back, in the self
service area, near the Kid's Play Area (KPA) often, if there
is one, unless otherwise announced. Near the kids area
started 'cos a few people used to have kids with them
occasionally, but it's usually also easier to reserve more
space for unknown quantities of people, in what is usually
the quieter less smokey (but more noisey) KPA area. Don't let
mention of KPA in mails scare you We are
Not a child oriented family group There's usually no kids
now, Some are semi allergic to kids, certainly in bulk, We
often sit near the KPA just for more space, less smokers,
& despite the noise.
Mostly on SATURDAYS (2/3 prefer that,
1/3 Fridays, though we started on Fridays. Sometime we move to
Fridays to avoid big football
matches on TVs in pubs on Sat.)
Default nominal approximate start times (unless otherwise
announced) subject to fine tuning discussion (raise topic in a
Beer Garden!):
- May & June: 18:00
- July & August: 18:30 / 19:00
- September: (politician's fake summer time) 18:00 = 17:00
(solar time)
If still warm in winter time will appear a lot earlier of
course on clock, but not so much earlier, when you remember
to think solar & not compare with politician's fake
summer time).
- Winter & Indoors Starts:
20:00
Some arrive earlier & help reserve space, & some
later. Many of us are English, no need
to be very punctual, it's a beer garden, not a business
appointment ! If you arrive before organisers, get us a big enough good table away from
smoke etc, & keep an eye out for organisers, & other regular beer gardeners.
- We are an Adults Group. Not a families group for
kids.
- Find some
more appropriate group for
parents & families; Not us.
- Join us alone: Pay a baby sitter/ child minder, or Take
turns with other parents, neighbours, etc, one to stay with
kids, others going out.
- Join us in the evening to eat, drink & converse to
adult themes & schedules, Not in mid afternoon with
kids.
-
Please Do Not Ask For Start Times Convenient For Kids
!
We've tried that various times over years, each time it
failed !
- Many Beer Gardeners skipped events completely when
parents prevailed on us for an early start to suit
children. Even stalwarts came later.
- Parents are unreliable, quite likely to not show,
despite we've committed to change plans for various
couples, they fail to commit to us, put their kids
various problems first, disrupt us with no shows, after
they asked to disrupt us to start earlier - for their
kids!
- Organisers get bored waiting very
early for low turnout of parents & kids & normal
people turn up hours later or more likely don't show that
week.
- Reduced turnout, + presence of kids, discourages
turnout to subsequent events.
- Kids tire early, & some become a nuissance,
parents then leave us early to take kids home
- The depleted remainder get left: not wanting to drink
more alcohol after a too early start, regretting they
didn't start later & get more done before the early
start, (after Beer Garden started too soon, to suit
parents & kids now gone), knowing it's inappropriate
after drinking to return to continue work (eg on computer
or equipment etc) suspended earlier, not tired yet as its
still early, wondering what to do next ?
Sometimes, we are in venues with weather that allow us to chose
Inside or Outside. If not a beer garden but a restaurant, then
we book ahead, & usually they are not sure of the weather
so book us inside by default. We may not want inside, but
that's what we get, if we don't actively ask to change it.
Inside may be too hot, Outside may or not be what we want: We
are fresh air afficionado, but outside there's poisonous
smokers wind drift, possible rain, & pigeons dropping)
Here's how we decide In Or Out:
- We're not afraid to sit in 2 groups, 1 in, 1 out.
- We're honourable enough to greet newcomers with statement
"There's also another group of us in/out side!"
- Any attender at a BG venue can call for a vote, &
organiser must then not sit idle, but call
votes For Move, Stay, & Abstain.
- Minorities can individually go/remain in/out side,
floaters will follow where the vote & organiser
goes.
- organiser must get up & lead
majority (if for a move), even if organiser then personally exercises individual
right to return to previous minority location.
- organiser gets an initial vote like
everyone else.
- If there's a draw, organiser gets a
2nd casting vote.
- Votes are by public simultaneous show of hands, For,
Against & Abstain.
- Not secret/ verbal aside to organiser, hence no bluffing/
fudging of totals.
Bad weather Start
Time
If the weather has been
bad all day, if the announcement included a fallback indoor venue, we may automatically go there
rather later than the preferred outdoor beer garden. If on the
other hand the weather turns
nasty at the last minute, & we divert en route or fresh
from the Beer garden, we'll likely be at the alternate venue
pretty much on time. We're not easily dislodged from a beer
garden though, a few spots of rain may of us are used to, from
growing up much closer to the Atlantic than here :-)
Question: "I'll Be Late, How Long Will You Be There ?"
Answer: How Late Will You Be ?
Don't Ask Me ! - We don;t know ! We're Not
Going To Commit Ourselves ! Your Problem ! Risk It Or Mobile
Us
- Some of us may be there most of the evening if the
weather is
fine, but if the Beer garden is announced in advance of
unpredictable weather, we
will have no idea how long we or others will want to
stay.
- We usually leave when it's cold or dark, or bored, or
any other reason, sometime we leave very early;
occasionally we're still there even if it's raining
intermittently, but we don't wait forlornly for people who
might arrive, when we're thinking of leaving.
- If you want to encourage us to wait for you, send
friends in advance to keep us company, (perhaps pretty or
handsome friends, with spare food, drink, or sparkling
repartee ;-) that'll encourage the group to stay on ... if
the weather's
good !
- You're allowed to bring your own food to most or all
Munich beer gardens we announce, so you don't need to eat
at home first !.
- Avoid always arriving late & expecting us to wait,
half bored at a largely empty table. At least sometimes,
arrive near-ish to time, & give organisers the benefit of your company at the
beginning, rather than the end, when we've had enough,
& are bored waiting for late-comers to drink up.
- On good evenings, it's some times a problem defending
our table space when beer gardens fill up. Arrive before we
are likely to be pestered by strangers for our spare
space.
- Do not follow the example of one unknown idiot, who
told no one he'd be coming, arrived over an hour late, to a
beer garden
closed by the Wirt (Landlord) on a cold day for lack of
business, where we could buy no more beer. That person was
actually indignant that we'd gone, & hadn't waited just
in case someone we neither knew nor expected turned up !
We're not daft - we don't wait on the off chance,
particularly in poor weather.
Mail List
- Join or Leave Mail
List or Other
Lists
- Beer gardens are announced at short notice on the
email list
- The organisers usually try to
announce venues on Thursday afternoons, as it's
convenient for those who only get email at home.
- In spring & autumn it's hard to plan ahead,
sometimes we delay announcements to Friday, while waiting
on the weather,
deciding if a more sheltered beer garden, or different
inside fallback options are needed.
- It's best, at least for spring & autumn, if not
for summer too, to [also] join your
work address rather than [or as well as] your home
address.
- If you stick to just a winter home based address,
you'll also miss spontaneous short notice mid week beer
gardens
Mobile Phones
(`Cell Phone' to use the original American name,
spuriously renamed as `Mobile Phone' in Britain, &
mistakenly called a `Handy' by Germans using wrongly
adopted English ).
Yes we have mobiles. No we don't want numbers listed
here, ask us personally if you feel the need.
People who claim mobiles are essential for finding
friends in a beer garden are out of their tree, mobiles are
merely a convenience for the caller, but non-essential,
& disturbing to table conversation of others adjacent
to person called.
The beer gardens started before people had mobile
phones. When we didn't know where the group was, we simply
walked methodically, slowly & sequentially up &
down rows, looking at faces, this method works well even in
the very biggest Munich beer gardens, (IE Hirsch- Garten,
Chinesicher Turm, Augustiner, etc). You might also by
chance meet others of your friends who may want to join us,
or even people you hope may become friends ;-)
SMS (Short Message Service)
If you want to know where we are: phone us, don't SMS us,
some (inc. this Author) do not respond to SMS.
If you are interested to find a gateway we could use to
automatically (not just manually) gateway email
announcements to SMS announcements: Do realise, SMS's cost,
so who will pay ? There's more to this than just being an
MS-Windows end user who uses some SMS gateway to send one
off SMSs. SMS gates make money by forcing people to read
adverts, so the entry format must change periodically to
force you to read adverts on line. It would be a thankless
task to keep updating the robot interface. Also no doubt
German operators would declare it illegal.
I have no free time to write & maintain the required
scripts to interface to a gate, but if some other
programmer wants to do the programming, I can provide the
24/7 Internet connected server base (FreeBSD Unix), with
whatever Perl/Java etc type stuff is necessary.
- Venues are decided where possible at previous beer
gardens, by all who intend to come to next week's venue,
failing that (& when weather changes) by the Beer Garden Organisers to this schedule:
- Organisers normally start
discussing/ deciding next Saturday/Friday's venue on
Tuesday.
- Sometimes when the weather forecast is
indeterminate, we delay till Wednesday.
- We normally announce by early/ mid Thursday
afternoon.
- We try to spread the selection geographically. More
weight attaches, if the venue nominated is from a regular,
&/or not particularly near the home/work of the
nominator, it being easy, but not so helpful if people just
nominate their local beer garden.
- If the weather's
good, we often go further to a cooler open park location, if
the weather is
marginal, to a more sheltered one in town.
- If you have a suggestion for a future venue, best suggest
it on a Saturday/Friday to one of the organisers
- It's hard in the dark at the end of an evening, to
recognise & remember who & how many will commit to
coming to which next venue, so it's helpful if those involved
subsequently mail the organisers saying EG
"Include me in the list of faces for people to look for at
next venue [XYZ], - I expect to be there roughly on
time"
- In the very rare liklihood none of the numerous organisers will be available to co-ordinate a
decision, we would try to forecast & announce that in
advance, & invite list members to step forward &
announce something, so that an opportunity is not
missed.
- If you nominate a venue by email, DO include the web
address ! If you fail to include web address, organisers will
likely will ignore the suggestion, as you would waste their
time searching & perhaps dis-ambiguating.
2002 Autumn, after beer garden weather ceased,
we continued to meet each Friday in a variety of venues, some
of us going on to GEA
Stammtisch later, (but many not).
We became an all weather group.
2006 we dumped smokey dives inc GEA Stammtisch, & used
smoke free
venues.
Then the law changed (2008 or 2009) & most decent places
became smoke free, & our venues widened.
2010, January, We switched from Friday to Saturday, as
avoiding pubs with football on
TV & avoiding pubs with Franziskaner
Weissbier became too much trouble, & more people preferred
Saturdays.
- In beer gardens, you can just turn up, but if you are nice
enough to tell organisers in advance, it can
help them know how many adjacent tables to try to get, &
who to look for.
- For indoor venues with seating booked by Organisers
- Please Always Reserve Seats With Organisers (Not with operator of the
venue).
- When you'r probable coming but not certain yet, don't
remain silent, give organisers clues we
can add up: We prefer Not to hear " likely maybe may might
possibly probably ". We prefer numeric estimates of
probability you will turn up. 3 people guessing 33% is one
extra seat booked.
- organisers always answer each
request for seats inside, normally with a Yes, sometimes
also increasing seats booked at venue.
- If organiser does not confirm your
request: Your mail did not reach us. You Are Not Booked!
You Have No Seat. Please phone organiser
& book seats.
Please also report mail failure either to
postmaster@YourDomain &/or postmaster@berklix. Any
postmaster requires full unchanged bounce headers
& error messages, The actual texts beyond, written by
humans are not of much relevance & can be removed.
- No problem with people who normally book, & just
occasionally don't.
- Those who Never book, who regularly turn up at reserved
venues, get removed from mail list:
- They disrupt, needing to extend or shrink guessed
table sizes.
- They squash others, & will be moved away when
booked people arrive.
- Muenchen is rightly proud of the Koenig Ludwig Erlass
(when the King of Bavaria granted Munich brewers permission
to sell their beer under the trees they'd planted to keep
their cellars cool, on condition they allowed citizens to
bring their own food). Rather unique, not the case in most of
Germany or Britain
- Sadly, to balance that pride, there is the Shame of Short
Measures:
- Lots of beer gardens & beer halls often seriously
short measure, particularly at Oktoberfest. Some O'fest
tourists might not care, & go home boasting of having
drunk more mass of beer... but if a mass is 0.9 to 0.7 litres
as the evening wears on & froth replaces beer, it's an
empty boast.
- Traditional bier steins, opaque, such as at Nock- herberg
stark bier fest, are ideal for short measures. Too many of
mine were short measures. Better to buy stark bier from a
bottle, poured into a glass, a half litre you can trust.
- Magazine articles in 2008 estimate O'fest fraud is worth
around 5 million euros, or .75 cents fraud per mass, &
the city council don't much care, not looking to enforce an
average to the mark, but just monitoring if way too
short.
- Gross consistent regular short measuring that would get
any pub in England closed down promptly by the Weights &
Measures Inspectorate, are tolerated.
- On the other hand, the Reinheits- Gebot (Purity law)
ensures (theoretically cleaner beer than in UK (though ask me
over a beer, about a UK chemical lorry driver I met regularly
delivering to a Munich brewery ;-)
- Anti short measures club http://vgbe.de/ costs 6 Euro a
year membership. Less than a short mass ! Prost !
All Link to S-Bahn, U-Bahn, Tram, Bus, arrive here,
BEER |
CALORIES PER LITRE |
Beamish Stout |
360 |
Guinness Stout mid strength (the correct name, 2.8%
ABV) |
280 |
Guinness Stout |
370 |
Murphy's Stout |
370 |
Paulaner Dunkel |
450 |
Paulaner Hell non alcoholic |
260 |
Paulaner Hell |
420 |
Paulaner Oktoberfest beer |
500 |
Paulaner Salvator (Stark) |
710 |
Paulaner Weissbier non alcoholic |
200 |
White Bread is about 265 calories per 100 grams (about
4 slices).
So a mass of Paulaner Salvator is equivalent to about a large
loaf of bread!
PS read in a book (
SustainableEnergy-withoutthehotair-DavidJCMacKay.epub) that
Nutritionists Calories are really 1000 chemist's Calories !
Sigh !
Missing the chat
you'd get with friends in the beer garden or over curry ?
- Bavarian Government in German: www.bayern.de for
latest regulations
- Bavarian Government
in English - (via translate.google.com )
for latest regulations
- Bavarian Government in German - Past
History (at www.archive.org) for older
versions of corona regulations.
- German
Diplomatic Service in UK in English - Travel
advice
- Translation
Engines
- Corona Info,
Not Specific To Berklix Beer Gardeners
-
Policy
Our Beer Gardeners & Organisers are individuals with varied
perspectives some are more & less worried /
strict / lax / paranoid / careful or careless about
the virus & regulations. Some attend or organise
as before, some less, some not at all. Like society
at large there's a spectrum of perspectives &
personal & government policies. Perspectives
depend where the observed & observer stands,
& a matter of time, geography, local,
neighbouring, & world news & statistics,
& local regulations... There's no uniform policy
to label us all too this or that ;-)
-
PracticeThere's a conundrum with the
combination of { Corona Track &
Trace, Who has event contact info in event of a
Corona
trace back, the Mail List (automaticaly archived
) receiving seat bookings, & government need for
swift contact info, eg email address & phone
numbers etc, & Berklix's unpaid volunteer admin
staff adamant in refusing to waste time for EU's
GDPR }.
Our practice below. If you are subscribed to bg@
& will suggest improvements, to Organisers on bg-org@
or over a beer, please do. Or un-subscribe yourself
from bg@
any time.
- Organisers ask in each
announcement to bg@
for all attenders to email organisers via bg-org@
if they want to attend.
- Organisers on bg-org@
just receive your email address & human name
- Do Not mail bg-org@
your other personal contact info such as phone
numbers etc in seat bookings you send to bg-org@.
Your replies to bg-org@
are retained forever in the bg-org@
archive,
(available only to Organisers). It
is not editable or removable (it is not some
commercially operated database but just a classic
mail archive.
Do not mail bg-org@
personal info ! We do Not want your
personal info ! It could be be a major liability to
us, re.
GDPR, we might need to deem it reason to
instantly purge you from all lists to keep us safe
from
GDPR time wasters who might otherwise burden our
unpaid Berklix
volunteers, wasting our time.
- Exception: We don't ask you to, but if you
wanted, you always could: un-subscribe from
bg@ & re-subscribe bg@
with a longer name. eg un-subscribe
"John Smith" <jsmith@whoknowswhere.com> and
re-subscribe
as "John Smith, +49 89 12345678, Mobile +44 1234
567689, 1 Penguin Road, Berkeley"
<jsmith@whoknowswhere.com>
This is allowed because
- Mailman
has always supported it, ages before
GDPR & Corona It's
nothing new, it's always been possible, we're
just telling you in case you might really want
to. We are emphaticaly Not asking you to.
- You retain total control of all your data at
all times, & can yourself delete all, edit
anew, re-submit all.
- All without consuming our time checking/
changing/ deleting/ adding your data,
- It protects us from
GDPR - we unpaid volunteers do not want your
data, & do not want our time wasted by
GDPR
- We much prefer you don't give Berklix any
contact info. As even you just re-subscribing may
require an admin spend time time clicking
subscription approval (as some lists have
subscription monitored to block abuse). Best give
Berklix No personal info, we don't want the
hastle! Thanks.
- Bavarian Regs require venues to keep contact
lists of customers, (usually for 2 weeks).
- Organisers comply, giving
their own correct contact detail.
- If you want to voluntarily add your contact info
to the list the venue collects, Do so direct to the
list held by venue, not via the organiser.
- Sometimes a venue requires names or full contacts
for all, sometimes just a single name for a table or
group.
- The venue might only collect contact info from
the first in the group to arrive, that might or not
be the event organiser.
- We ask all on bg@
list who have attended an event to remain regularly
in frequent receipt of possible bg@
announcements for 2+ weeks after, in case government
requests a fast Corona trace back alert to event
attenders.
This means do not subscribe an address you only check
once a week !
- If there's a Corona outbreak
& government tracers want to know who was there,
expect them to trace back via contacts listed at
venue.
- If that's not the organiser,
we expect first attender to forward request quickly
to event organiser.
- Event organisers should retain
a list of attender names at event, for at least as
long as law and common sense requires, & longer
if convenient. The organiser's
personal list should be supplemented by names of
anyone who turned up at event, un-booked by email to
bg-org@
as those names will not be in the bg@
mail archive/
- The organiser usually
announces a list of first names of people
expected.
- That announcement is in the bg@
mail archive,
the mail archive
is readable by all on the bg@
announcement list.
- In event of a Corona
traceback:
- You are welcome to report latest Beer Garden
individual changes of implementation of Bavarian
regulations etc, to either Beer Garden
Organisers or List
bg-chat@. If writing to List
bg-chat@ join it first as posts from non members are
automaticaly discarded unseen.
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